Comments on: The Divine Masculine http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/ Reflections on unfolding Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:08:56 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Aerolin http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-318 Aerolin Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:19:45 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-318 Zeus - thanks for sharing your ideas here. I see the word 'dominant' as being far too loaded for me to be comfortable using when speaking of the Divine Feminine and Masculine. I agree that the Divine Masculine is a protector and lover, however, I don't agree with the idea of surrendering to his embrace. I was talking with my beloved about this, and she articulated what was in my head of not seeing the Divine Feminine ever surrender to the Divine Masculine, thus we are not asked to surrender to Him. I see it much more as an act of each joining the other. I also disagree with what you say regarding the idea that the Divine Masculine holds the codes and sees the big picture because I think that both the Divine Feminine and Masculine do this - it is not solely one Divinity's "job." The impression I get (and I recognize this may not be what you intended) from reading your ideas is that though there is cooperation and union of the Divine Feminine and Masculine, when I read what you write, the "roles/jobs" they have don't seem to have equal energy to me, and I strongly disagree with that. I wrote the original post here over a year ago, and when I look at the Divine Feminine and Masculine now (whom I refer to as Momma and Papa), I see them dancing each other and the world through and to life and creating together. I don't see one surrendering to the other, I see them reaching for each other and gettin' their groove on to bring new life into being. ;) Zeus – thanks for sharing your ideas here. I see the word ‘dominant’ as being far too loaded for me to be comfortable using when speaking of the Divine Feminine and Masculine. I agree that the Divine Masculine is a protector and lover, however, I don’t agree with the idea of surrendering to his embrace. I was talking with my beloved about this, and she articulated what was in my head of not seeing the Divine Feminine ever surrender to the Divine Masculine, thus we are not asked to surrender to Him. I see it much more as an act of each joining the other.
I also disagree with what you say regarding the idea that the Divine Masculine holds the codes and sees the big picture because I think that both the Divine Feminine and Masculine do this – it is not solely one Divinity’s “job.”
The impression I get (and I recognize this may not be what you intended) from reading your ideas is that though there is cooperation and union of the Divine Feminine and Masculine, when I read what you write, the “roles/jobs” they have don’t seem to have equal energy to me, and I strongly disagree with that.
I wrote the original post here over a year ago, and when I look at the Divine Feminine and Masculine now (whom I refer to as Momma and Papa), I see them dancing each other and the world through and to life and creating together. I don’t see one surrendering to the other, I see them reaching for each other and gettin’ their groove on to bring new life into being. ;)

]]> By: 8zeus8 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-317 8zeus8 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:53:12 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-317 The nature of the Divine Masculine, as I understand, is indeed to be dominant. This is NOT an aggressive, abusive form of dominance. Imagine a powerful man who holds you with love. His intent is not to harm you, but to protect you and love you. But for him to be able to do this, you must surrender to his embrace. This is my understanding of the relationship between the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine: The feminine surrenders to the masculine, as the masculine directs the flow of creation and the feminine gives birth to it. The Masculine holds the codes of design, and sees the 'big picture,' and the Feminine contains the force necessary to give these designs 'life'. Without one, the other cannot individually create. Cosmic-creator-intelligence (masculine) and Cosmic-creator-force (feminine) must be combined for anything to be created. The nature of the Divine Masculine, as I understand, is indeed to be dominant. This is NOT an aggressive, abusive form of dominance. Imagine a powerful man who holds you with love. His intent is not to harm you, but to protect you and love you. But for him to be able to do this, you must surrender to his embrace.

This is my understanding of the relationship between the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine: The feminine surrenders to the masculine, as the masculine directs the flow of creation and the feminine gives birth to it. The Masculine holds the codes of design, and sees the ‘big picture,’ and the Feminine contains the force necessary to give these designs ‘life’. Without one, the other cannot individually create. Cosmic-creator-intelligence (masculine) and Cosmic-creator-force (feminine) must be combined for anything to be created.

]]> By: Mother Wintermoon http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-190 Mother Wintermoon Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:30:32 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-190 The Goddess, the Divine Feminine, is never a victim and the Divine Masculine in true form, is never a victimizer. The Divine Feminine (or Goddess if preferred) and the Divine Masculine are the epitome of healthy empowerment, balance, sacred synergy, Divine identity, and the greater good. I internalize their symbolism best as Yab-Yum, which is the Tibetan Buddhist term for the Mother-Father Union. Yab-Yum represents the Mother-Father unification of wisdom, sacral chakra sensuality, balance, equalization, compassion, and proficient wisdom processing. I haven't posted about Tibetan Buddhist Yab-Yum symbolism and meaning yet, but in writing this, I'm inspired to in the very near future! I'm off to compose. With Yummy Yab-Yum LoVe, MW The Goddess, the Divine Feminine, is never a victim and the Divine Masculine in true form, is never a victimizer. The Divine Feminine (or Goddess if preferred) and the Divine Masculine are the epitome of healthy empowerment, balance, sacred synergy, Divine identity, and the greater good.

I internalize their symbolism best as Yab-Yum, which is the Tibetan Buddhist term for the Mother-Father Union. Yab-Yum represents the Mother-Father unification of wisdom, sacral chakra sensuality, balance, equalization, compassion, and proficient wisdom processing.

I haven’t posted about Tibetan Buddhist Yab-Yum symbolism and meaning yet, but in writing this, I’m inspired to in the very near future! I’m off to compose.

With Yummy Yab-Yum LoVe, MW

]]> By: Aerolin http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-182 Aerolin Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:45:48 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-182 Sue Ann - WOW. Thank you for posting this, and I'd welcome you to explore whatever ideas you hesitated to explore in an attempt not to stir up conflict. Please - GO AHEAD! You could also email it to me if you'd rather, but I had never realized the Truth of what you're saying until just now reading it. And hell yes - what sort of Goddess is a victim! Beautiful! I had no idea how much I was minimizing Her until you so beautifully called me on my shit. I love it. Do it again!! :) Sue Ann –

WOW. Thank you for posting this, and I’d welcome you to explore whatever ideas you hesitated to explore in an attempt not to stir up conflict. Please – GO AHEAD! You could also email it to me if you’d rather, but I had never realized the Truth of what you’re saying until just now reading it. And hell yes – what sort of Goddess is a victim! Beautiful! I had no idea how much I was minimizing Her until you so beautifully called me on my shit. I love it. Do it again!! :)

]]> By: Sue Ann Edwards http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-181 Sue Ann Edwards Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:59:36 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-181 I mean REALLY, what sort of a "Goddess" is a Victim? Doesn't sound much like a 'god'anything. Much less Divine anything. Either that or our idea of Divine and our 'god concept' must be pretty low on the substance scale when it comes to quality of character. I mean REALLY, what sort of a “Goddess” is a Victim? Doesn’t sound much like a ‘god’anything. Much less Divine anything.

Either that or our idea of Divine and our ‘god concept’ must be pretty low on the substance scale when it comes to quality of character.

]]> By: Sue Ann Edwards http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-180 Sue Ann Edwards Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:57:15 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-180 Beautifully written Aerolin. If I may Illuminate something...the perspective of 'the feminine' being some kind of a VICTIM of 'the masculine', is a perverted and distorted fairy tale. It's a COMPLETE sham. And that's all I'm going to say here, for I realize this consciousness virus, this sick perspective, is very much a part of a lot of women's realities. And I wish no offense. Masculine is Willpower. Feminine is Feeling. Most of us women do NOT claim responsibility and accountibility for the ideas in our heads or the way in which these ideas are related together. Nor do most of us claim our emotions AS ours. Instead we whine about being 'victims'. If I imagine I'm a victim, then there have to be villians in order for me to be happy. "Patriarchy", pretty much fulfilling that requirement. Beautifully written Aerolin.

If I may Illuminate something…the perspective of ‘the feminine’ being some kind of a VICTIM of ‘the masculine’, is a perverted and distorted fairy tale. It’s a COMPLETE sham.

And that’s all I’m going to say here, for I realize this consciousness virus, this sick perspective, is very much a part of a lot of women’s realities. And I wish no offense.

Masculine is Willpower. Feminine is Feeling. Most of us women do NOT claim responsibility and accountibility for the ideas in our heads or the way in which these ideas are related together. Nor do most of us claim our emotions AS ours. Instead we whine about being ‘victims’.

If I imagine I’m a victim, then there have to be villians in order for me to be happy. “Patriarchy”, pretty much fulfilling that requirement.

]]> By: Aerolin http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-176 Aerolin Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:13:14 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-176 carolyn, Thank you! I agree - I think many of us women who have found our roots in the Feminine are now ready to receive the teachings and the True Essence of the Divine Masculine. Blessings and love to you! MWM, I adored the Native prayer you posted, and yes, the Patriarchy is definitely the anti-thesis of the Divine Masculine. Thank you for this wonderful link! I started reading and it was one of those experiences of seeing all the thoughts that have been bubbling around my heart and head on the screen in front of me! I haven't gotten to the ceremony part yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Huge blessings and love to you! carolyn,

Thank you! I agree – I think many of us women who have found our roots in the Feminine are now ready to receive the teachings and the True Essence of the Divine Masculine. Blessings and love to you!

MWM,

I adored the Native prayer you posted, and yes, the Patriarchy is definitely the anti-thesis of the Divine Masculine. Thank you for this wonderful link! I started reading and it was one of those experiences of seeing all the thoughts that have been bubbling around my heart and head on the screen in front of me! I haven’t gotten to the ceremony part yet, but I’m looking forward to it. Huge blessings and love to you!

]]> By: mother wintermoon http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-173 mother wintermoon Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:30:24 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-173 What I loVe about Native American spirituality is the balance. Both the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine, in people and in nature, are honored and celebrated. I posted a Native American prayer for Thanksgiving that is a perfect example of that crucial balance. I found it to be a wonderful any occasion prayer for attuning me to the Divine Masculine along with the Divine Feminine, you may find it works well for you too. It's true, the Divine Masculine is not the patriarchy. The patriarchy is the anti-thesis of the Divine Masculine. There's a good article at the site below about using the Native American Medicine Wheel to balance the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine. There is a ceremony included in the article. www.manataka.org/page694.html What I loVe about Native American spirituality is the balance. Both the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine, in people and in nature, are honored and celebrated.

I posted a Native American prayer for Thanksgiving that is a perfect example of that crucial balance. I found it to be a wonderful any occasion prayer for attuning me to the Divine Masculine along with the Divine Feminine, you may find it works well for you too.

It’s true, the Divine Masculine is not the patriarchy. The patriarchy is the anti-thesis of the Divine Masculine.

There’s a good article at the site below about using the Native American Medicine Wheel to balance the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine. There is a ceremony included in the article.

http://www.manataka.org/page694.html

]]> By: carolynlboyd http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-171 carolynlboyd Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:56:42 +0000 http://aerolin.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-divine-masculine/#comment-171 This is a wonderful, thoughtful, insightful post! It must be something in the air -- I have been trying to put together a post on the Divine Masculine also but haven't been able to put my thoughts together yet. I think I first began to fully understand what, to me, is the spirit of the Divine Masculine when I came across a young man who had this wonderful "Let's get moving for the cause!" attitude and brought it together that enthusiastic, bold, active energy with deep compassion. Since then I have recognized it in many other delightful, caring, wise men who are working hard to make our world better. I love the idea of the Sacred Masculine and Sacred Feminine being reflections of the same qualities. Of course, we all have each within us and it is up to us to make use of each aspect of those qualities as we choose and as is appropriate for the moment. This is a wonderful, thoughtful, insightful post! It must be something in the air — I have been trying to put together a post on the Divine Masculine also but haven’t been able to put my thoughts together yet. I think I first began to fully understand what, to me, is the spirit of the Divine Masculine when I came across a young man who had this wonderful “Let’s get moving for the cause!” attitude and brought it together that enthusiastic, bold, active energy with deep compassion. Since then I have recognized it in many other delightful, caring, wise men who are working hard to make our world better. I love the idea of the Sacred Masculine and Sacred Feminine being reflections of the same qualities. Of course, we all have each within us and it is up to us to make use of each aspect of those qualities as we choose and as is appropriate for the moment.

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